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Measuring System and Space for Life

Excerpt from the interview conducted by Go Hasegawa (GH) with Kersten Geers (KG) and David Van Severen (DVS)

GH:    Today I was able to visit four of your buildings. I found a kind of simple grid system in each one-the four square rooms of the OFFICE 56 Weekend House in Merchtem (2012), nine square rooms of the OFFICE 39 Villa in Buggenhout (2010), the colonnade of the OFFICE 62 City Villa in Brussels (2012), and the PC panel wall of the OFFICE 90 Agriculture School in Leuven (2014). I found it interesting that several times you have mentioned measuring. Tell me about this measuring system. What do you measure? What’s your aim?

The Sequence (Landscape and Architecture in an Image)
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OFFICE 56, WEEKEND HOUSE – Merchtem, Office KGDVS, Belgium, 2009-2012, Photograph: Bas Princen.

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OFFICE 39, VILLA – 
Buggenhout, Office KGDVS, Belgium, 2007-2012,
Photograph: Bas Princen.

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OFFICE 62, CITY VILLA - Brussels, Office KGDVS, Belgium, 2008-2012,
Photograph: Bas Princen.

OFFICE 90, AGRICULTURE SCHOOL – Leuven, Office KGDVS, Belgium, 20011-2015,
Photograph: Bas Princen.

KG:    I would almost dare to say that the most important thing you can do as an architect is introduce a set of references, a ruler, a measuring system. It’s almost like a trace of culture. So there is something there, and you don’t necessarily want to change that, but you do want to be able to grasp it, to control it to a certain extent. This idea of measuring, like a Cartesian grid, is very important for that.

         There’s a word painting by Ed Ruscha called “Talk about Space.” The tiny pencil in it is painted in full size, one to one. It allows you to measure the work, the tableau. It also allows you to measure, in some strange way, space. “Talk about Space,” you could say, is also measuring space.

          So this idea that you introduce elements to use as reference to something you cannot completely control is in many ways a common thread that runs through all our work. Call it classicism, rationalism, or other things, it always goes back to this attempt to make something part of a system, but at the same time allowing exceptions to that system. And exceptions are, of course, only possible as soon as you have put in enough effort to establish the system. If there is only exception, there is no system. So I think there is a search for equilibrium in our projects- more system than exception. This happens in many different ways and scales, and sometimes very literally.

 

DVS:    Measuring is repetition. A unit needs a second to make it a system. In the four rooms of the Weekend House, the nine (or actually 18 because it has two floors) rooms of Buggenhout, and the City Villa where columns frame the rooms, the common factor is rhythm. Rhythm frames the rooms. Creating rhythms or a multiplication of things is important, as it begins a background and fore- ground conversation where you see and yet don’t see, and it is the architecture that gives you the power to understand that discourse.

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OFFICE 62, CITY VILLA - Brussels, Office KGDVS, Belgium, 2008-2012,
Photograph: Bas Princen.

GH:    I also notice in your buildings a sort of materiality that exists in parallel with their strong forms. Your system controls the space very clearly, but it looks very natural. You achieve an equilibrium between architecture and nature that I can relate to.

KG:    I must say that when I saw your buildings in Tokyo-I went to the wooden house (House in Komazawa, 2011) and the steel-roof house (House in Kyodo, 2011) — it was amazing. I saw a lot of parallels. I got the impression that the negotiations behind each decision on the materials-let’s say, for the wooden house, how you make the floor, what you close, what you don’t close, the shelf, the stair, and so on — I thought that was all very similar to how we make decisions. And the wooden house carried something more than an organizational idea. Through its material, it became a special place. The same can be said of the steel house. Our buildings are bigger, but they are very similar. And there are not so many architects who do things like that.
 

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House in Komazawa, Go Hasegawa and Associates, Tokyo, Japan, 2010-2011, Photograph : Iwan Baan.

House in Kyodo, Go Hasegawa and Associates, Tokyo, Japan, 2010-2011, 
Photograph : Iwan Baan.    

           I’ve visited the Müller House (1928-30) by Adolf Loos, and it’s so beautiful. It’s also far more radical than I thought it was from the pictures, because he presents things in strange relationships, too. On the one hand the house, on the outside, is white, with these yellow windows, but when you’re inside it has this crazy marble and very nice wood. All these elements lure you into a certain way of use. It’s not exactly decoration.
           I like materials that seem to represent something else. You could say it’s similar to Aldo Rossi’s concept of memory. Not memory of the city, but simply the idea that pure, abstract architecture does not exist. Whatever you build, there will be a certain memory of another building, another space in that construction. And that is fascinating.

GH:    In the Buggenhout Villa I sensed an architecture that places great value on the joy of life. This belief in life seems to me to be a very strong statement of your architectural discourse.
 

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Müller House, Adolf Loos, Prague, Czech Republic,

1928-1930.

KG:    In terms of life, quite frankly I have learned a lot from David. Before we met, I didn’t have this direct experience of life as extreme or hedonistic, because I came from another background. David always had this enormous laissez-faire sense about things. There was at least this celebration of life, all the time. His father was extremely hedonistic. David grew up like that. And I think that this, plus our LA experiences and fascinations when we were students, is what made us make things that were never constructions or ideas about architecture. They were really very close to life. I think it came from that place.
           Life is full of ambiguities, so let’s allow them to happen. It’s how it is. You can’t change that. From that perspective, it should come rather easily!

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